Was this shove justified

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- January 3, 2012 at 7:45 pm #24909
  
  Abhishek Kedia
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  SB: t3092 M = 4.58
  Hero (BB): t9359 M = 13.87
  BTN: t55049 M = 81.55
  
  Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BB with Td Jd
  BTN raises to t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t9334 all in, BTN calls t8534
  
  Flop: (t18943) 6s Kd 3s (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  Turn: (t18943) 8s (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  River: (t18943) Ah (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  With a shortstack so short and a chipleader so strong should i have waited a couple of rounds until shortie gets eliminated and be contented with 2nd position or is this shove justified. It was a 45 man SnG on pokerstars so pretty decent pay jump.
- January 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm #31642
  
  saby
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  No its not justified…effective M greater than 8 u can flat see flop, with 3 ppl and a short stack there is heavy ICM considerations here i would add 20% to equity required…shove only KK+
- January 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm #31643
  
  Danish Shaikh
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  SB: t3092 M = 4.58
  Hero (BB): t9359 M = 13.87
  BTN: t55049 M = 81.55
  
  Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BB with Td Jd
  BTN raises to t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t9334 all in, BTN calls t8534
  
  Flop: (t18943) 6s Kd 3s (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  Turn: (t18943) 8s (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  River: (t18943) Ah (2 players – 1 is all in)
  
  With a shortstack so short and a chipleader so strong should i have waited a couple of rounds until shortie gets eliminated and be contented with 2nd position or is this shove justified. It was a 45 man SnG on pokerstars so pretty decent pay jump.
  
  aww thats a disaster do you see fold equity in that hand may be but shoving into a chip leader is not a good idea you should wait and find for a better spot u can always put pressure on the shorties but not the cl.
- January 4, 2012 at 6:44 am #31644
  
  Abhishek Kedia
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  No fold equity but yes I do see the disaster!
- January 5, 2012 at 9:38 am #31656
  
  vishal nayak
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  ohh no the payout jumps are quiet high in such S&G you should flat or fold.
- January 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm #31704
  
  Denny
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  ohh no the payout jumps are quiet high in such S&G you should flat or fold.
  
  flat the raise and re-evaluate the flop or fold .. but IMO flat and see if the flop hits you hard ..
- January 18, 2012 at 10:52 pm #24910
  
  Aditya Agarwal
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  This is an ICM disaster, the idea here is to play small pots and not risk your tournament life till the shorty gets knocked out and u move up in money. Got to fold this, defending is also marginal, basically I would be avoiding marginal spots till the shorty gets eliminated, especially against such a dominant chipleader.
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